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	<title>Comments on: BLM defers leases in Rio Grande National Forest</title>
	<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/</link>
	<description>The Last Best Place for a Nuclear Waste Dump</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark Wright</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6671</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 03:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6671</guid>
		<description>Seems like the more oil and gas wells the higher and higher gas and oil pirces end up for the consumer.

Obviously the whole thing is pointless then as far as finding more anyway.

Time to just start really going alternative...and let the O &#38; G stay down there. ( it creates more problems getting the crap than it's worth from a total quality of life standpoint ).

That simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like the more oil and gas wells the higher and higher gas and oil pirces end up for the consumer.</p>
<p>Obviously the whole thing is pointless then as far as finding more anyway.</p>
<p>Time to just start really going alternative&#8230;and let the O &amp; G stay down there. ( it creates more problems getting the crap than it&#8217;s worth from a total quality of life standpoint ).</p>
<p>That simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blakeman</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6666</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blakeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6666</guid>
		<description>The FS determined the areas available for lease via the forest plan.  Public involvement was heavy during development of the RGNF revised forest plan.  Of the 144,000 acres proposed for lease, 70,000 acres came with a no surface occupancy stipulation.  A local environmental group claims these stips are routinely waived.  Not true, NSO stips on National Forest System lands are rarely waived--it does happen, but rarely.

One other interesting point:  Most or all of the area that was deferred had been leased back in the 70s and 80s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FS determined the areas available for lease via the forest plan.  Public involvement was heavy during development of the RGNF revised forest plan.  Of the 144,000 acres proposed for lease, 70,000 acres came with a no surface occupancy stipulation.  A local environmental group claims these stips are routinely waived.  Not true, NSO stips on National Forest System lands are rarely waived&#8211;it does happen, but rarely.</p>
<p>One other interesting point:  Most or all of the area that was deferred had been leased back in the 70s and 80s.</p>
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		<title>By: niko</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6661</link>
		<dc:creator>niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6661</guid>
		<description>Well not these particular parcels, as they were withdrawn, but other parcels leased on FS managed land....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well not these particular parcels, as they were withdrawn, but other parcels leased on FS managed land&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: niko</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6660</link>
		<dc:creator>niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6660</guid>
		<description>Tom: As Mike mentioned, BLM administers the minerals on behalf of the FS.  However, FS does allocate areas that are suitable for oil and gas development, or conversely, designates areas as closed to leasing.  They also dictate which stipulations will be attached to those oil and gas leases.  

While we can certainly point the finger at the BLM for denying these protests, we could also point one at FS for making the decision to have this area available for oil and gas development in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: As Mike mentioned, BLM administers the minerals on behalf of the FS.  However, FS does allocate areas that are suitable for oil and gas development, or conversely, designates areas as closed to leasing.  They also dictate which stipulations will be attached to those oil and gas leases.  </p>
<p>While we can certainly point the finger at the BLM for denying these protests, we could also point one at FS for making the decision to have this area available for oil and gas development in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: niko</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6659</link>
		<dc:creator>niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6659</guid>
		<description>Ron: you're absolutely right. I usually admonish exaggeration, and here I go lying a fat one out there…  Thanks for catching it.  I should have said "very little new domestic oil and gas production on federal minerals." As you've said, federal minerals are small player at this point.  Only 15% of the drilling going on in Colorado is taking place on federal minerals, for example. The rest is largely on private minerals, under private land.  Before Governor Ritter's rule making exercise, that drilling was largely unregulated except for existing air, water, T&#38;E laws.

My point is, very many parcels are protested every BLM lease sale. Every single parcel was blanket protested this May by Western Environmental Law Center based on BLM not analyzing effects on climate change.  Another party protested for a reason similar to the example Marty provided: “We are property owners living in the area where the oil and gas lease is selling. We both hunt, fish, film and watch the wildlife continuously.”  I’m not arguing that these might not be very legitimate reasons to not lease an area. In fact, I think BLM needs to defer more parcels, especially in areas critical to wildlife.  What I’m saying is that if BLM were to not lease every parcel that was protested, there would be very few new leases.  Everybody has a problem when you’re leasing next to them or on a piece of land they enjoy. It’s classical NIMBY-ism.  

No more new leasing on public land might be a good thing, and I could definitely help make that argument.  However, IMHO, we can't end the conversation there.  We must take it to the next step and ask "well then how will we meet our energy needs?" There are obviously tradeoffs involved, and it frustrates me sometimes when someone advocates "no development" (or taking a serious chunk out of energy production) without a counter proposal on how to fill that gap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron: you&#8217;re absolutely right. I usually admonish exaggeration, and here I go lying a fat one out there…  Thanks for catching it.  I should have said &#8220;very little new domestic oil and gas production on federal minerals.&#8221; As you&#8217;ve said, federal minerals are small player at this point.  Only 15% of the drilling going on in Colorado is taking place on federal minerals, for example. The rest is largely on private minerals, under private land.  Before Governor Ritter&#8217;s rule making exercise, that drilling was largely unregulated except for existing air, water, T&amp;E laws.</p>
<p>My point is, very many parcels are protested every BLM lease sale. Every single parcel was blanket protested this May by Western Environmental Law Center based on BLM not analyzing effects on climate change.  Another party protested for a reason similar to the example Marty provided: “We are property owners living in the area where the oil and gas lease is selling. We both hunt, fish, film and watch the wildlife continuously.”  I’m not arguing that these might not be very legitimate reasons to not lease an area. In fact, I think BLM needs to defer more parcels, especially in areas critical to wildlife.  What I’m saying is that if BLM were to not lease every parcel that was protested, there would be very few new leases.  Everybody has a problem when you’re leasing next to them or on a piece of land they enjoy. It’s classical NIMBY-ism.  </p>
<p>No more new leasing on public land might be a good thing, and I could definitely help make that argument.  However, IMHO, we can&#8217;t end the conversation there.  We must take it to the next step and ask &#8220;well then how will we meet our energy needs?&#8221; There are obviously tradeoffs involved, and it frustrates me sometimes when someone advocates &#8220;no development&#8221; (or taking a serious chunk out of energy production) without a counter proposal on how to fill that gap.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Blakeman</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6657</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Blakeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6657</guid>
		<description>Tom,  It is kind of confusing.  The FS manages the surface and the BLM manages the subsurface mineral estate.  BLM sells the leases (good for 10 years, unless actively producing oil/gas), but FS still has a lot of influence as to what happens on the surface.  One correction to Marty's article, is that none of the parcels that were to be offered on the RGNF had sage grouse habitat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,  It is kind of confusing.  The FS manages the surface and the BLM manages the subsurface mineral estate.  BLM sells the leases (good for 10 years, unless actively producing oil/gas), but FS still has a lot of influence as to what happens on the surface.  One correction to Marty&#8217;s article, is that none of the parcels that were to be offered on the RGNF had sage grouse habitat.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Klumker</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6656</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Klumker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6656</guid>
		<description>Marty,

I'm confused? How does selling land in the Rio Grande National Forest (Dept. of Agriculture) morph into Bureau of Land Management (Interior Dept.) sale of oil and gas leases. I think Forest Service and BLM are two entirely  separate entities. Maybe you were just referring to two different happenings but it seems confusing when you mix apples with oranges, in the same short article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m confused? How does selling land in the Rio Grande National Forest (Dept. of Agriculture) morph into Bureau of Land Management (Interior Dept.) sale of oil and gas leases. I think Forest Service and BLM are two entirely  separate entities. Maybe you were just referring to two different happenings but it seems confusing when you mix apples with oranges, in the same short article.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Raunikar</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6655</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Raunikar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6655</guid>
		<description>The BLM manages 700 million acres of the on-shore federal mineral estate - which leaves over 70% outside of BLM management.

I have to agree with Niko that the BLM has shown precious little concern for local communities in leasing decisions and lease provisions.

However, it does seem a bit hyperbolic to assert that domestic energy production would suddenly end if the BLM did their job right. 

I would like to add bit of perspective about the magnitude of the BLM's Minerals Management Service.

The total receipts pulled in for royalties, bonuses, and rentals amounted to less than $15 per citizen of this country.  

For a comparison, that $15 won't go a long way toward covering the $300 tax rebates we are getting right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BLM manages 700 million acres of the on-shore federal mineral estate - which leaves over 70% outside of BLM management.</p>
<p>I have to agree with Niko that the BLM has shown precious little concern for local communities in leasing decisions and lease provisions.</p>
<p>However, it does seem a bit hyperbolic to assert that domestic energy production would suddenly end if the BLM did their job right. </p>
<p>I would like to add bit of perspective about the magnitude of the BLM&#8217;s Minerals Management Service.</p>
<p>The total receipts pulled in for royalties, bonuses, and rentals amounted to less than $15 per citizen of this country.  </p>
<p>For a comparison, that $15 won&#8217;t go a long way toward covering the $300 tax rebates we are getting right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wright</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6653</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 06:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6653</guid>
		<description>As messed up as the air in Sublette County Wyoming has become...Big time O3 Wreck. ( in a rural county with hardly No people ).

The Sublette proper deal is recognized...everyone is ignoring the fact that several of the neighboring ( even 2 or 3 counties over ) counties to the NE, E and SE will have high O3 also due to Thermal Carry.

Weather in the USA moves West to East. suffer hive

Perhaps no more gas drilling until some of the skies clear would be a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As messed up as the air in Sublette County Wyoming has become&#8230;Big time O3 Wreck. ( in a rural county with hardly No people ).</p>
<p>The Sublette proper deal is recognized&#8230;everyone is ignoring the fact that several of the neighboring ( even 2 or 3 counties over ) counties to the NE, E and SE will have high O3 also due to Thermal Carry.</p>
<p>Weather in the USA moves West to East. suffer hive</p>
<p>Perhaps no more gas drilling until some of the skies clear would be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: niko</title>
		<link>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6650</link>
		<dc:creator>niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.hcn.org/goat/2008/05/07/blm-defers-leases-in-rio-grande-national-forest/#comment-6650</guid>
		<description>Lynx was the issue. If BLM deferred every lease where some person was concerned for their quality of life, we would have zero domestic energy production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynx was the issue. If BLM deferred every lease where some person was concerned for their quality of life, we would have zero domestic energy production.</p>
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